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Water and Arsenic: which came first?

       

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 By Michael Miller

12/20/2010  1:15PM

Company federal and state taxes were filed last week. No money was due as our operation was not profitable. My father never complained about paying an income tax because it meant his work was profitable, which is what a businessman works toward. I concur. The Sixteen to One is a great place to work when the mine is profitable.

Taxes are a vital part of the operation of our country. All Californians (well almost all except some bureaucrats in state, county or federal offices) must be well aware that our state is in epic financial trouble. The major reason is poor cash flow and even poorer cost benefit management from our many public servants. Following is one reason Californians face a “quality-of-life” crisis.

When I went to the Alleghany post office to put postage on the tax forms to the federal IRS and the state board of equalization, I asked Bernice, the postmaster, to weight both envelopes. The federal tax forms weighed in at 3.6 ounces. The California tax forms weighed in at 9.3 ounces. How did this happen and what shall the beneficiaries of California’s governments do about the massive intrusion of paper work they injected into our lives?

I’m not against paying taxes to California’s’ public agencies and servants for reasonable expenses; however, our state lost its long time motto of “fair, just and equitable”. Its management is out of touch and unreasonable in administering its duty. For example; our mine is an underground mine, not a surface mine; gold is money and is not taxable; the water seeping through our property in Alleghany is beyond reasonable control; our ore processing does not produce waste. Yet our company is being taxed or fee driven into poverty.

To gain additional perspective on what is making California “not tick”, please read the recent newsletter to shareholders that you will find under NEWSLETTERS. If you have time, read the earlier letters as well. Unreasonable government intervention against this venerable gold mining company is close to prosecution or extortion. To some extortion has become a fact.

Hmm, postage for completed tax paperwork: federal 3.6 ounces and state 9.3 ounces. Please fix this Governor Elect Jerry Brown.
 By bluejay

12/19/2010  6:33PM

We need Jesse Ventura from Conspiracy Theory to do a report on the Water Board. Jesse does excellent reporting. Just check out his lates on TrueTV.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrZ14NRbT-s
 By Rick

12/17/2010  5:46PM

What is the "damage" they seek? ...and I don't mean in monitary terms....I mean, what has been damaged?

WHAT has been damaged????

Can they show a comprehensive history of the water in and around the Allegany Mining District, and what about prior to that? Was is damaged before man showed up? Right afterward? Or as soon as $$ made them look?

What grounds do they base their born-yesterday claims upon? When did history start for them, when they were born, or when they were appointed?

Can they show evidence that anything has been harmed? And if so, when did it happen? Did it happen 200 years ago? 2000 years ago? 30 years ago before Mike Miller began mining in the area? Or did it begin when drool began from their chins?

It's my understanding that actual physical damage has to be proven in order to obtain a summary (or trial) judgement in any lawsuit....what damage? WHAT DAMAGE????

Whoever is behind this, (ahem) do you really want to go into the record as attemptng to steal private assets? Do you really want to go on record as attempting to fabricate evidence, ONCE AGAIN, in the name of a farce?

The only damage I see is the onslaught from the Water Board (what an insult that title is to water, by the way)....an onslaught that has $$$ signs in their heads rather than a rational thought.
 By Rockroby

12/08/2010  6:03PM

These people are not doing this because of arsenic in the water,it's about money and revenge.
My check is on it's way,am talking to others and faxing Mr. Millers letter to others who might be able to help.
Try to talk to some of the other miners in California and Nevada and see if they might be willing to help for a piece of the pie.Talk to Sutter,Atna,New Gold or one of the many miners in Nevada if they will front some money for say 10% of production for ten years.
These lowlifes who just take and take will soon have no one left to take from.
I wish you all the best of luck fighting these thugs,wish I could send more.
Rock
 By martin newkom

12/08/2010  4:31PM

Dr. Savage told of a creature in
Mono Lake that thrives on arsenic
and selineum, from the area or water. Both are in the periodic
table of elements, I'm told.
Mono Lake is also like another
Dead Sea.
 By Michael Miller

12/08/2010  11:03AM

Answer to question below: arsenic.

It is probable that all the elements comprising the planet earth arrive at the same geologic time. Some made water. Some made carrots and some made humans.
 By Rick

12/07/2010  8:37PM

Curious: nobody has ever answered the question posed in this Topic header.

Which came first? Arsenic or water?
 By martin newkom

12/07/2010  11:12AM

Sunday I heard there is a recent
study on arsenic. May be some
medical people have determined
that the human body requires some
amounts of arsenic to be able to
function,ie body cells depend on
portions of arsenic or the sys-
tem can't function. This arsenic
blowup could be a fraud like
global warming. I don't recall
the source of the info. It may
have been Dr.Oz or Dr. Rosenfeld.
 By Rick

12/06/2010  5:02PM

Today I received an important letter from the Original Sixteen to One Mine, written from Mike Miller, an appeal to all of us to contribute to the absolute necessity of maintaining our freedom. This is a crucial cornerstone and I will help as much as I can.

For about 12 years now I've been writing here considering the absolute sham being leveled against this free enterprise company. It is a travesty that simply due to the nature of the busines...mining...that OAu has been selectively targeted. Now is a critical time to read all the postings here, all relative to the legal procedings that no doubt will prevail.

Since truth is the only thing I need to remember, I know it works every time. I willingly stand up for this mine.

Okay. Today's essential thought regarding the legal challenge regarding ambient arsenic occurence in the Allegany Mining District, ambient levels in Kanaka Creek as well:

"What possible environmental mitigation does the CRWQCB plan, if it actually secures millions of dollars in damages?" ...incidentally, for nothing....

Is the CRWQCB actually planning on spending the wish-list $$$-winnings to change the natural occurence of ambient levels of arsenic in the entire Sierra Nevada, let alone upstream from the Sixteen to One Mine?

Think this through....there is no plan. It's EXTORTION!
 By Rick

12/05/2010  6:15PM

Considering the Sierra summit devide that separates the California eastern watershed from the western watershed, we see the stark difference in the terrain....

While the western side of the divide is a gradual decline in elevation with streams flowing through geologic arsenic deposits (such as in the Allegany District), in contrast the eastern side drainages show a stark difference, plunging from aproximately 14K'(tops) to the elevated Owens Valley floor. Not much water flows from the summit eastward; not as much distance is covered; and yet....arsenic concentrations are found on the eastern side.

And this begs the question.....simply because more watersheds drain westward than eastward:

Why is it that the westward draining watercourses that encounter ambient arsenic (arsenopyrite)are being targeted to political and economic distruction while the eastern side drainages (Mono Lake Basin, arsenic laden as well) become meccas for life research?
 By Rick

12/04/2010  5:26PM

Let's not lose track. This isn't about where the arsenic science is happening, it's about the significance.

I guess I'll continue to put this on the top of the Forum page.

How about this: let's measure the interest in the significance of this by seeing who actually chimes in with substantive comment relative to the fight that's been happening for ten years now.
 By martin newkom

12/04/2010  10:06AM

Then if Mono Lake is what you
say then the Dead Sea in Israel
might be examined also.
 By Michael Miller

12/03/2010  12:31PM

CONGRATULATIONS TO RICK for his leading edge report on our FORUM of the information releases by NASA. Its relevance to the Sixteen to One mine is the unnecessary, questionable and criminal (yes criminal) portrayal of the demands made to our company by the Central Valley Regional Water agents to conduct 1440 tests per year. This has cost us plenty. The damages are in the millions to our shareholders.

I was interested to learn more and did some research this morning. Below are excerpts from various newspapers that edited the original NASA report.

(1) The discovery is about "cracking open the door and finding that what we think are fixed constants of life are not," said Wolfe-Simon.

(2) The structural similarity between arsenic and phosphorus is so great - the two elements are in the same column of the periodic table - that arsenic can substitute for phosphorus in some biochemical reactions.

(3) Phosphorus is a central component of the energy-carrying molecule in all cells (adenosine triphosphate) and also the phospholipids that form all cell membranes. Arsenic, which is chemically similar to phosphorus, is poisonous for most life on Earth. Arsenic disrupts metabolic pathways because chemically it behaves similarly to phosphate.

(4) The team chose to explore Mono Lake because of its unusual chemistry, especially its high salinity, high alkalinity, and high levels of arsenic. This chemistry is in part a result of MonoLake’s isolation from its sources of fresh water for 50 years

(5) The microbe does grow better on phosphorous, but showing that it can live with arsenic instead raises the possibility that a life form using arsenic could occur naturally, either elsewhere on Earth or on another planet or moon where arsenic is more common.

(6) Arsenic was more common in the early times on Earth, she said, so researchers have speculated that early life forms might have used it.

(7) The organism's existence suggests life on Earth has an unappreciated flexibility, experts said, and could have evolved from a wider array of building blocks than previously thought - not only here, but elsewhere in the universe.

The next two excerpts demonstrate how easily it is too educate by omission (misinform by omission or lead the sheep). First excerpt is the report carried by several newspapers (the staff writer chooses his or her relevant information for the article). The second is the report as released by NASA.

(A) Mono Lake is a promising place to look for unconventional chemistry. One of several lakes on the western edge of the arid Great Basin near Yosemite National Park, the lake catches runoff from the volcanic Sierra Nevada mountains. A closed basin lake, its concentration of arsenic is about six times higher than the maximum allowable limit for drinking water

(B) The lake receives runoff from the Sierra Nevada mountains, which have relatively high concentrations of arsenic. When the water arrives at Mono Lake, it has nowhere to go because there are no rivers carrying water farther downstream. That means the arsenic, and other elements and compounds, can concentrate to unusually high levels. Arsenic is present in Mono Lake at a concentration 700 times greater than what the EPA considers safe.

Do you see the subtle misleading language?
 By Rick

12/02/2010  5:26PM

Needless to say, given what Mike cites below and what I posted in the previous subject topic, of Nasa identifying arsenic as an essential life form for microbial replication:

This is direct scientific grounds to appeal the CRWQCB harassment of the Original Sixteen to One Mine.

The CRWQCB's citation and contention that the Original Sixteen to One Mine's proximal existence to naturally occuring arsenic within ambient levels of arsenic in the upstream and downstream waters surrounding the Allegany mining district...is somehow detrimental to life is brought starkly into view.

"Hey CRWQCB....are you ready to debate NASA?"
 By Michael Miller

12/02/2010  2:43PM

Toxicologist Edward Calabrese finds that what does not kill you can make you stronger.

"All things are poison and nothing is without poison. It is the dose that makes a thing a poison," declared the wandering Renaissance physician-surgeon Paracelsus. University of Massachusetts toxicologist Edward Calabrese has a possible amendment to Paracelsus' dictum: Low doses of poisons may be good for you.

Calabrese speculates that evolution has given our bodies and cells the ability to repair them. Low exposures to toxins stimulate these biological repair mechanisms and lead them to fix the damage caused by the toxin—and even to repair some of the normal background damage as well. In other words, exposure to low levels of toxins provides "a very modest overcompensation to a little damage.". Hormesis is an effect where a toxic substance acts like a stimulant in small doses.

There is even a forthcoming study that shows that exposure to low levels of arsenic protects against cancer. Calabrese’s arguments are more than just a scientific curiosity. They have political relevance as well. Modern toxicology has generally assumed that there is no safe dose for carcinogens. The regulations based on this belief assume a linear dose/response relationship for toxins—that is, if a lot of something is bad for you, even a little bit is bad for you.

This faith in a linear dose/response relationship has been codified in various federal regulations such as those promulgated by the EPA. The result has been a relentless and costly effort to reduce our exposure to even the smallest quantities of allegedly toxic molecules in the hopes of reducing rates of cancer and birth defects.
"The real significance of the hormetic model in the conflict over threshold versus linear response models is of course that if hormesis could be unequivocally demonstrated as universal then it would establish a bona fide threshold for carcinogenic effects," writes Calabrese in the journal Mutation Research. "This would immediately discredit the many uses of linearity models to estimate cancer risk." In other words, it would mean that federal regulations are wasting lots of money trying to solve a non-existent problem—and even stifling possible positive effects.

Calabrese believes that is time for the EPA and Food and Drug Administration (FDA) to commission the National Academy of Sciences (NAS) and/or the Institute of Medicine to evaluate hormesis and its application to regulatory science. If the NAS agrees that hormesis is a universal effect, incorporating it into EPA and FDA standards would improve how cancer risk assessment is done and reduce the costs of regulation.

Who knows? Perhaps one day you'll be popping an arsenic pill to ward off skin cancer.
 By Rick

12/02/2010  12:24PM

This is no joke. At 11am today NASA announced the discovery of a bacterium (from Mono Lake) that doesn't use phosphorous to support a DNA chain...instead, it uses ARSENIC to replicate.

Please reference:

Released by Dwayne Brown, NASA Headquarters at dwayne.c.brown@nasa.gov and by Cathy Weseby, Amse Research Center, Moffett Field at cathy.welesby@nasa.gov

"NASA Funded Research Discovers Life Built With Toxic Chemical"


Dec. 02, 2010

Dwayne Brown
Headquarters, Washington
202-358-1726
dwayne.c.brown@nasa.gov

Cathy Weselby
Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, Calif.
650-604-2791
cathy.weselby@nasa.gov


RELEASE: 10-320

NASA-FUNDED RESEARCH DISCOVERS LIFE BUILT WITH TOXIC CHEMICAL

WASHINGTON -- NASA-funded astrobiology research has changed the
fundamental knowledge about what comprises all known life on Earth.

Researchers conducting tests in the harsh environment of Mono Lake in
California have discovered the first known microorganism on Earth
able to thrive and reproduce using the toxic chemical arsenic. The
microorganism substitutes arsenic for phosphorus in its cell
components.

"The definition of life has just expanded," said Ed Weiler, NASA's
associate administrator for the Science Mission Directorate at the
agency's Headquarters in Washington. "As we pursue our efforts to
seek signs of life in the solar system, we have to think more
broadly, more diversely and consider life as we do not know it."

This finding of an alternative biochemistry makeup will alter biology
textbooks and expand the scope of the search for life beyond Earth.
The research is published in this week's edition of Science Express.

Carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, oxygen, phosphorus and sulfur are the six
basic building blocks of all known forms of life on Earth. Phosphorus
is part of the chemical backbone of DNA and RNA, the structures that
carry genetic instructions for life, and is considered an essential
element for all living cells.

Phosphorus is a central component of the energy-carrying molecule in
all cells (adenosine triphosphate) and also the phospholipids that
form all cell membranes. Arsenic, which is chemically similar to
phosphorus, is poisonous for most life on Earth. Arsenic disrupts
metabolic pathways because chemically it behaves similarly to
phosphate.

"We know that some microbes can breathe arsenic, but what we've found
is a microbe doing something new -- building parts of itself out of
arsenic," said Felisa Wolfe-Simon, a NASA astrobiology research
fellow in residence at the U.S. Geological Survey in Menlo Park,
Calif., and the research team's lead scientist. "If something here on
Earth can do something so unexpected, what else can life do that we
haven't seen yet?"

The newly discovered microbe, strain GFAJ-1, is a member of a common
group of bacteria, the Gammaproteobacteria. In the laboratory, the
researchers successfully grew microbes from the lake on a diet that
was very lean on phosphorus, but included generous helpings of
arsenic. When researchers removed the phosphorus and replaced it with
arsenic the microbes continued to grow. Subsequent analyses indicated
that the arsenic was being used to produce the building blocks of new
GFAJ-1 cells.

The key issue the researchers investigated was when the microbe was
grown on arsenic did the arsenic actually became incorporated into
the organisms' vital biochemical machinery, such as DNA, proteins and
the cell membranes. A variety of sophisticated laboratory techniques
were used to determine where the arsenic was incorporated.

The team chose to explore Mono Lake because of its unusual chemistry,
especially its high salinity, high alkalinity, and high levels of
arsenic. This chemistry is in part a result of Mono Lake's isolation
from its sources of fresh water for 50 years.

The results of this study will inform ongoing research in many areas,
including the study of Earth's evolution, organic chemistry,
biogeochemical cycles, disease mitigation and Earth system research.
These findings also will open up new frontiers in microbiology and
other areas of research.

"The idea of alternative biochemistries for life is common in science
fiction," said Carl Pilcher, director of the NASA Astrobiology
Institute at the agency's Ames Research Center in Moffett Field,
Calif. "Until now a life form using arsenic as a building block was
only theoretical, but now we know such life exists in Mono Lake."

The research team included scientists from the U.S. Geological Survey,
Arizona State University in Tempe, Ariz., Lawrence Livermore National
Laboratory in Livermore, Calif., Duquesne University in Pittsburgh
and the Stanford Synchrotron Radiation Lightsource in Menlo Park.

NASA's Astrobiology Program in Washington contributed funding for the
research through its Exobiology and Evolutionary Biology program and
the NASA Astrobiology Institute. NASA's Astrobiology Program supports
research into the origin, evolution, distribution and future of life
on Earth.

For more information about the finding and a complete list of
researchers, visit:

http://astrobiology.nasa.gov

-end-
 By Rick

11/20/2010  7:59PM

History for public employees began the day they were born. Somehow, they have absolutely no concept of where nor when they became dependent upon the producers.

Sadly, history is also lost to the fools that continue to vote the above-mentioned slugs into office.

I'll substitute a bunch of explanations and words into this:

Get off our backs, in the name of the Constitution of the United Staes. And when you don't get off our backs, we will defend it.
 By bluejay

11/20/2010  3:26PM

Yes Mike, you are correct.

The part I like best is "we're here representing the people of California." Bob Chapman says attorneys in government today were just "C" students in law school. Concerning judges Bob basically said, he never met so many folks in a professional sector before that were so hooked on drugs and alcohol. Does anyone know if state attorneys and judges are required to take drug tests?

It doesn't take a brain to see what is really going on here with Vendetta II against shareholders: too many State employees sucking off the system with nothing to do while charging struggling companies and State residents for their inflated salaries and supported puffed-up pension plans.

During the Dot.com bubble when State revenues significantly increased they all gave themselves big raises. How about reducing them now, boys? Did you public servants ever hear the State is in big financial trouble? Don't the State employees read the papers? How about the Central Water Board, don't they know we don't run the mill anymore? How could anyone be so stupid and think that someone wouldn't notice it?

The State needs to be publicly exposed for their tyranny against its own citizens. TrueTV will be contacted next week to see if Jesse Ventura wants to do a story on the conspiracy to bankrupt the owners of the Original Sixteen to One Mine, Inc.

I was in Quebec last month talking to some miners who couldn't believe what the Water Board and State attorney's office were up to with the mine. The most prevalent comment was, don't they know where their revenues come from? Quebec is the most friendly area in the world for mining. Agnico Eagle, the premier mining company has, at least, three of its mines producing gold in the province. Agnico is very environmentally minded as they have proven by cleaning up one of their neighbors past producing mine sites adjacent to their Goldex mine by the city of Val D'Or.

Quebec subsidizes its mines and gives tax credits to those investing capital in the companies. All the miners I conversed with laughed out loud when they heard the State had attempted in vain to put the president and our mine manager in jail for an unfortunate mining accident. Some even jerked their arms up abruptly forward and spoke loudly in French.

Mahatma Gandhi (1869-1948) remarked on outrageous tyrants. He said first they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Third they then fight you. And fourth, then and only then can you defeat them.(quoted from Martin Arnstrong's article - The Rising Frustration With The Debt Crisis - November 11, 2010)

Sounds much like how the Water Board has treated Mike over the years, don't you think?
 By Michael Miller

11/20/2010  11:27AM

“The entire ocean life is just loaded with a series of contaminants, most of which have been released by human beings” says Roger Payne, biologist with Ocean Alliance and reported by Arthur Max, Associated Press writer. The study analyzed cells from sperm whales. The report noted high levels of cadmium, aluminum, chromium, lead, silver, mercury and titanium. Payne makes a fairly tight argument that these contaminants are “the single greatest health threat that has ever faced the human species.”

Further research was urged to the whaling commission. If Mr. Payne’s recommendation is to locate and mitigate the introduction of the mineral pollutants, hooray. If all that is wanted is more research of the sea life, boo. Anyone claiming that these mineral elements or chemicals could be “horrific for both whales and man” must place his energy directly to containment of the pollutant and not more research.

I’m not critical of the report or its important discoveries, yet it brings to mind some current misguided demands of people regarding arsenic in the Sierra Nevada Mountains. Of note in the newspaper article is the absence of finding arsenic as a serious contaminate. Normal levels are arsenic have beneficial effects of life. To all interested in the environment: please embrace HORMESIS as an important part of scientific research. Dosage and duration belong in all serious discussions. Grow up and embrace the true scientific approach to complex environmental issues. Precious money continues to be wasted on ideas with little or no benefits. Our venerable company is under attack.

The water permitting blunders committed by carelessness, ignorance or on purpose, (however great the mistakes made), cannot be so great as it would be not to recognize that someone has been in error; however ugly they may be, mistakes become elements in development for future business. The lawsuit filed against Original Sixteen to One Mine for the benefit of the people of California is a mistake. Please write the water agency, your elected representatives or people that will help settle the issue. Blunders were made.
 By Michael Miller

11/18/2010  11:01AM

The following dialog between California’s Deputy Attorney General and a witness in defense of charges alleged by the People of the State of California (filed in Sierra County Superior Court) who was duly sworn to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. The deposition was taken in Sacramento on October 20, 2010.

Question by Deputy Attorney General: Are you presently affiliated in any way with Original Sixteen to One Mine, Incorporated?

I am. I am one of over a thousand shareholders of the company. In 2001, I’d been following the mine’s web site and I saw that they were having problems with the Water Board. And so I requested from the mine office, I said I’ve got some time, I was between projects, I would like them to send me copies of all their water monitoring and a copy of the order sent to the mine.

I read the discharge order. I was shocked. It had so many inconsistencies and so many things that were absolutely not true. If you had read this discharge order you would have thought that the mine was killing fish in the creek. They (water agency staff) had said that the mine discharge represented 30 percent of the water flow into Kanaka Creek. The water flow is minuscule compared to Kanaka Creek.

I reviewed all of their (the company) documents. They all showed one thing, that the flow coming from the mine, both summer and winter, is less than 3 percent, not 30 percent of the creek.

The staff intimated that the creek was no longer suitable for recreational use in that report. If there is any creek in this watershed that I would like to drink water out of, it’s Kanaka Creek. It’s not a degraded creek.

The biggest problem with water that is totally lacking arsenic is it’s going to be probably very high in E. Coli. The EPA studies came out of Taiwan and Bangladesh, but the studies in Bangladesh showed that wells that were absent of arsenic had tremendous bacterial and E.coli problems.

Arsenic is an interesting compound. It’s in water, it’s in the air, it’s in the dirt, it’s in the plants, plants take it up. We’ve evolved with it, and there’s a certain level of arsenic that we probably need to survive.

There’s something called hormesis, and almost all the scientific community knows about it, and that’s what can be toxic at high doses, can be beneficial at low doses. Throughout medicine it’s true with almost any medicine, low dose is beneficial and a high dose a fatal. A low dose of chlorine is beneficial, a high dose is fatal. A low dose, you know, of oxygen is okay. A real high dose can be fatal. The same with water.

They do know what a high dose or arsenic is. Sixty thousand parts per billion is fatal. We used to have a level of 50 parts per billion from 1940 to 2006. The discharge 300 feet down the stream has always met this. I think it represents a purifying factor. They do graze cattle throughout the forest. You get E. coli; you get bad stuff growing.

All of a sudden you come down this remote mountain stream and you get a little shot of arsenic that ultimately gets diluted by the time it hits the Yuba. It’s a beneficial affect to any hiker. The discharge is beneficial to that creek. That creek is vibrant, alive, and the water there that’s coming from the mine comes from up above.

What bother me about it was here there was obviously some hostility between the staff and Mike Miller. It really bothered me that this report was going to the Board, so I got heavily involved, I did a lot of research. I just think that it’s sad that the 35 different regulatory agencies are all coming down on this little guy, because they’ll sink him and we’ll loose it. He’s closed that mill down, and by closing that mill down he’s cut the arsenic release level in half.

Question by Deputy Attorney General: What was it that led you to believe there was this obvious hostility?

By reading the tenor of what the staff were submitting to the Board. They were submitting something that didn’t represent anything that, that they showed any – to me the data was misinterpreted and misrepresented to the Board. And I thought why. The mill hasn’t operated since ’98, and my whole reason for being involved in this is: I think it’s the last really representative thing of our historical past in the state of California. It’s the last deep hard rock mine operating.

Question by Deputy Attorney General: The reports or the information that you described the staff as having submitted to the Board that contained inaccurate statements?

Right. The staff misinterpreted what was actually happening when you looked at the data that the mine had sent to the staff. I sent to the Regional Water Quality Control Board on February 17th of 2002, requesting to be heard at the hearing that they had set up for the Sixteen to One Mine. When they were running the mill almost full time, the discharge from the 21 Tunnel at that time average 1,058 parts per billion, so that the milling operation was a significant contributor to the arsenic in Kanaka Creek.

Question by Deputy Attorney General: Was that the main reason why you wanted me to take a look at those (data brought to the deposition)?

Yeah. It just shows that he’s done everything in his power financially to mitigate what he can.

Question by Deputy Attorney General: Have you ever been employed by Original Sixteen to One Mine, Incorporated in the sense that you were being paid for working for them?

Just the reverse. I volunteered and I’ve also given them money to help them keep operating. I initially gave them $50,000 that they couldn’t repay, and so I converted it to stock. I gave them $25,000 to help them pay their electric bill and other outstanding obligations, and that’s still outstanding.


My Comments To Each of You Readers:

These charges of wrong doing stem from a government staff that failed to exercise its duty to evaluate specific sites in California that may require a waste discharge permit. The language of the regulations and the specific situations present at the Sixteen to One mine fail to meet the requirements for permitting a discharge. What can anyone do when faced with a non-responsive agency?

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