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 By Michael Miller

04/12/2004  6:30PM

Try going to a chat room where entries are kept chronologically. If the Forum grew to 100 or more topics, the task of reading them or participating in a topic is like having a library without an index file. A decision was made to keep about 20 topics active, which is what we are doing. If no one adds to a topic, like the miners prayers, it may go into the misc. file. That great entry went into Discovery not misc., which will be renamed Reflections and Directions. Maybe the new combination will trigger someone to add ideas related to the subject matter of that file. I believe in the powers of positive thinking and was reluctant to move that entry. We do our best to keep a sense of balance within the entries. Actually the misc. is an interesting file to reread. The Forum had 30 topics. It looked like more would be coming in. Something had to be done. I had some time between 11am and 2pm today, so jumped in to rearrange the entries. Maybe there is a better way to subdivide. You will find very few Forums where a new reader can easily access old entries. We are always open to constructive criticism. Please remember the stated intent of the Forum. Glad you care enough to write.
 By studbkr

04/12/2004  1:31PM

Why do multiple topics, each with their own name, keep ending-up under "Miscellaneous"? The topics are then less easy to see and even harder to follow. I don't agree with someone else deciding what is important and what's not...
 By Brady

04/10/2004  1:21AM

I just wanted to let you know that my grampa was a miner at the 16 to 1. My Dad was born in Forest, and grew up in Alleghany.

Pardon my idiocy, I'm just amazed, with all the time I've spent on the net, this is the first time I've been here.

Kudos, to whomever runs the site. Is it you Bud? Can you even get internet in Alleghany?
 By Michael Miller

04/08/2004  6:32PM

Hi Studbkr

Gympie Gold is a small part of a coal mining company that went into bankruptcy after a fire impacted its operation in Australia. At times the company interrupted its gold production to blast or cut with saws a quartz and gold concentration. Gypmie entered the jewelry market long after OAU re-ignited the century old use of quartz and gold in special manufacturing applications. The Australian quartz is less appealing to the jewelers because of diminished hardness and its ability to take a polish. We welcomed its participation into a market that was monopolized by the quartz from the Alleghany mines. Its closure has put additional stress on the world’s limited supply. Demand exceeds supply, and we want to keep all jewelry manufacturers going. The gemstone is one of the rarest in the world. We do not want to lose its growing market due to its disappearance from production.

The ten people producing quartz and gold from the Sixteen to One mine create twenty full time manufacturing jobs which have created sixty five retail jobs in Alaska as well as an unknown number of jobs elsewhere. We feel the pressure to keep all of them alive. I appreciate your interest in participating in our FORUM.

Selling gold is not a current problem or concern. Finding it is. When we mine gold, it is examined to determine whether it can be cut into slabs. The value added by doing this is significant. Without the jewelry business, well, life would have been more difficult to survive the questionable interferences the company went through. Those days are over and the crew, while small in number, has high hopes of hitting a real good pocket where it is mining (the ballroom block of ground). There is a large section of the vein to mine. A crew of six could easily stay there a year before exhausting its potential.
 By studbkr

04/08/2004  9:24AM

I mentioned Origsix to another goldbug friend. He showed me that there's an Australian Mine that is also selling gold-in-quartz specimens. They claim to have extensive distribution in the US jewelry market. I wonder if we can learn from them?

 By gfxgold

04/04/2004  11:58AM

Before you read this entry, read the entry by Mystic Master...
The following story is from The Oregonian Newspaper about the MAX light rail tunnel in Portland OR. (Maybe a ceremony in Alleghany would be a good idea).

September 19, 1998
Four Lao Buddhists seek forgiveness and safety for light-rail riders following construction of the westside tunnel near a cemetery
The spirits had made their anger known, so on this cold, blustery day, four emissaries ventured 260 feet underground to make peace.

As MAX passengers whisked by Friday on their way to Beaverton and points west, Lao Buddhist monks braced against the draft deep inside the Washington Park station to light incense and chant.
They were there to ask forgiveness -- not for anything they had done, but, they said, to protect all Portland-area residents from the fury of spirits disturbed when crews dug the light-rail tunnel below a nearby cemetery.

If they didnt ask forgiveness, they said, more Oregonians might suffer the kind of misfortune that befell a Beaverton motorist Tuesday when his car plummeted onto the tracks at the Sunset Transit Center.

Fridays ceremony might well be the first of several by those Asian Americans and others worried that the tunnel project has offended the spirits of those buried in Finleys Sunset Hills cemetery, said Ronault L. S. Catalani, an attorney who also works among the Southeast Asian American communities.

He and others think that Tuesdays transit-center mishap and earlier construction deaths point to the need for spiritual harmony.

"We must make peace with what is so that theyre not angry, Catalani said, so that theyre not disturbed about this train roaring through them.

Catalani had worked with Tri-Met officials to arrange the Friday ceremony.

"We were made aware of some concerns among the Asian community related to spiritual aspects of the tunnel, said spokesman Steve Johnson, and we wanted to provide an opportunity to address those concerns."

Vanhlang Khamsouk, secretary general of the Lao Buddharam Temple on Northeast 133rd Avenue and Sandy Boulevard, explained that the service was designed to ask forgiveness of and seek harmony with the spirits.

It is an important gesture, he said, even though most, if not all, of the spirits were not from ancestors of his temple's more than 3,000 members.

"We do believe that even though we are not Christian, the Buddha can be in touch with the spirits," he said. "Even though the general community does not believe in this, we still feel we want to do our part."

Senior monk Khamsene Kapbouakham and Nuna Bounsak, SiPhong Khoumngeune and Phom Phanthavong braved the windy tunnel to make things right.

Dressed in saffron robes and brown sandals, the monks lit incense and a gold candle, placed an offering of white flowers on a table and chanted as they faced the tunnel and in the direction of the cemetery. Phanthavong then stepped down onto the tracks to chase away angry spirits with holy water as an approaching train rumbled in the distance.

Afterward, Kapbouakham said he had detected many angry spirits, but he thought they had accepted the apology and would live in peace.

Chanhuong Sikhamsouk, who translated for the senior monk, said that now some in the Laotian American community will feel better about the MAX tunnel.

"But," she added, "others will still be afraid because this wasn't done at the beginning."

Shoua Lee Cha, a leader of a Portland-area Hmong American clan, had planned to travel from his Aurora home to the station platform Friday to lead a separate Hmong spiritual service. But he fell ill Friday morning, his nephew Cheur Cha said, and will wait for another appropriate day to intercede with the spirits.

Cheur Cha thinks that other groups will need to make their own pilgrimages to put things right.

"It's not just a Hmong matter," he said. "We dug under a cemetery that's been there for so long. The participation of every religion is the best way to approach this."

For more info on the MAX light rail and it's history, go to: http://www.trimet.org/inside/history/bluepage.htm
 By studbkr

04/03/2004  1:48PM

I was wondering if 16-1 has ever considered publicity thru web sites like 321gold.com or kitco.com? The banner ads and other publicity help improve stock prices, as well as help big-time investors consider private placements.

I exchanged e-mails with the owner of 321gold.com on a few occasions. He was interested in publicizing gold sales and I tried to get goldsales@origsix.com to get in touch with him with no success.

He also loves the current picture of the week. I think he wants a little cash to do anything for us, however.

Bob, the owner of 321gold.com is very bullish on the price of gold. I told him the current picture of the week (wired explosives in a face cut) could be "gold about to explode", which is a pun on the price skyrocketing, too.

I know our company is strapped for cash, but this idea may payoff.

"Small shareholder"

03/16/2004  8:07AM

To answer "minerwannabe's" questions. The stench canister was in place as recently as the week prior to the inspection. Nobody is sure how or why it was removed, but the speculation is that somebody working on the compressor temporarily removed it and forgot to replace it.
The fire suppression system in the portal is an ongoing problem because it freezes in the winter. We are required to keep it charged with water and invetibaly it freezes causing leaks and making it inoperable.
 By Michael Miller

03/13/2004  5:52PM

It is nice to have mining issues that on their surface may seem to be of great concern or consequence but in fact are minor and inconsequential. No operator likes to get an allegation of a violation in any standard or regulation. Citations are written in almost every inspection. Our crew has had six to ten citation free inspections in the past. Everyone walks tall on those happy days. It is a tribute to the miners and the inspectors.

An MSHA inspector arrives unannounced, which is fine. In doing so he or she must review whatever is going on that day. It is very disruptive because, for example, my plans for the day immediately change to accommodate the inspector. Then I pass them off to someone who will take them into the mine, look at the surface operation and check the paperwork. Since the miners only make money when gold is mined, they usually resent the interruption in their activities. No one has anything to hide. Time is lost and time is something these miners cannot afford to lose. The MSHA inspector arrived at 1pm on Tuesday and left Friday afternoon.

“Imminent Danger” is a judgment call that MSHA inspectors have abused in recent (last seven years) inspections. It is almost as if impending danger allegations are used to exert control over the operation. This inspector invoked the concept of “about to happen” danger and ordered the crew of six miners to withdraw from the mine until the imminent danger was abated. A stench canister was not attached to the compressed air line. This was the violation. The stench is one available warning device to alert the underground miners to exit the mine. In 22 years it has NEVER been needed to warn the miners. With six miners working close together, it is highly unlikely necessary no matter what type of emergency one could potentially create. The inspector over reacted. The canister was relocated early the next morning. The inspector arrived hours later and abated the citation. Two guys walked away from the mine because they could not afford to stand around and not break or move rock. No break, no gold, no payday. Miners must be in danger for something this drastic to be implemented by our government. After all, Americans do have a right to work. It will not be the end of the world; however each little bite out of a man’s workday adds up. Common sense and reasonableness have disappeared from most governmental regulators. Let’s empower the inspectors to use their heads. Also let’s educate them and train them the art and science of mining. Let’s quit promoting them based on how many citations they write.
 By minerwannabe

03/13/2004  10:59AM

Why weren't these violations turned up in earlier inspections? A lack of a fire suppression system would seem to be a pretty obvious "catch". Hope all goes well and the hoisting of high grade continues.

03/12/2004  8:14AM

A verbal closure order was issued on Wednesday afternoon due to the lack of a stench canister on the compressor system and a lack of fire supression sprinklers in the portal. (A closure order means no other work can proceed until the citations are abated). The miners had both problems fixed by 7:30 a.m. the next morning. We are into our third day of inspections today. Will give a more detailed report of the inspection once it is complete.
 By Bella

03/12/2004  1:56AM

Heard the mine was shut down for a Citation violation.
Have the violations been addressed in the Best Interest of the miners?
 By Michael Miller

02/17/2004  9:57PM

NAPE, the 2004 North American Prospector Expo, brought over 9,100 people into Houston for two days. There must have been 1000 exhibitors in a convention center bigger than a football field. Oil, gas, technological services and banks offered their wares. There was one gold company, Original Sixteen to One Mine, Inc.

Successful individuals or representatives of successful companies walked through the isles looking for deals. The potential for making money was everyone’s common denominator. We were there to offer an opportunity albeit very different than the others. Unfortunately, no one recognized what was before him or her. Maybe 500 people found our two cubicles. Even though we were in the last row in the most remote corner of the building, news that a giant hunk of gold was on display spread through the crowd. The local CBS television station sent a crew to film the Whopper. It was shown on the 5pm and late news programs on Thursday night. The Whopper did what it always does. It brought smiles even to the hard faces of the men and women of America’s oil and gas fields.

Was the trip a success or failure? Time will tell. Everyone had packed up and left the center by 4pm on Friday. We were there until 5:30pm, still discussing the use of proceeds from our private placement offering with some truly interested people. The oil and gas guys look at risk differently from gold. It reminded me of the differences I noticed years ago between the gold miners and loggers. While we all work with natural resources, the gold miners have a longer commitment before profitable extraction or bust occurs.

The offer on the table was ten percent ownership of America’s oldest gold company for $1, 500,000. This opportunity could not drill a dry hole. It could not just disappear. Its upside is unpredictable but not its downside. The company has withstood the ravages of time. It is a survivor because of its assets. Try as many of them did to understand the proposal before them, I could see the confusion in their eyes. Unable to explain 100 years of high-grade gold mining at the Sixteen to One in an hour or less, I came away without a check. How sad for everyone!

Yes, years ago gold and black gold were quite a pair. Currency has always been around. Gold, oil, diamonds and paper have liquidity in common as currency. Their reliability to float, hold value or succumb to external manipulation varies with significant consequences. Leslie Snyder wrote a book, early seventies, titled Gold and Black Gold, the story of gold and oil. Successful stories are few, especially for the mega corporations. Individuals or small companies, however, have successfully played in transforming their oil assets into gold assets. Gold was coming out of hibernation in 1975, and a new process was developing to make “no see ‘em” gold microns into gold bars. Oil was trading in high dollars. Gold needed start-up and working capital. Oil saw an opportunity to diversify. Oil was accumulating many surplus dollars. The “hard asset” producers questioned their exchange of oil and gas for paper and what it represents. Nothing is new yet everything is different. Oil and gold are meeting again. Technological advancements in each field flow and ebb over time affecting the supply and demand of each commodity.

Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger fired a shot heard all around the world in his state of the State address. Did anyone else recognize its significance? He called for a hydrogen highway in California. Nobody commented about it later. Workers comp and blasting the boxes of State government stole the show.Reforms in these areas are the preeminent ways to stop or avoid California's closest threatening bullet of decline or despair. If the closest bullet hits you, the next ones down the line don’t really count. The new governor fired a concept of eliminating oil as a method of powering transportation in California. No time lines were suggested, but I see significant changes within two decades.
Technology never dies. Advancement continues in both gold and oil. People and societies will always need these hard assets.

. Oil and gold benefited from each other twenty-five years ago by creating supply and demand. They will do so again against other currencies of trade and consumption.

 By gfxgold

02/02/2004  10:45PM

Thanks, Wildwes21, you just have to ask nice. I guess that piece of quartz with the note tied around it never made it to the 16 to 1 "Webmaster".
Operating? Well, that's kind of a generous word for what goes on at the mine.
 By Wildwes21

01/31/2004  10:40AM

GFXgold, You are GF who has a operating Mine right? If so how come your website is not linked here?
 By Wildwes21

01/31/2004  10:31AM

I just got off a website,that a kind gentleman posted on Tomashworths forum for us to look at,that had very good RIM information and other systems too.Neat site.Is it ok to post links on this forum?
 By Wildwes21

01/31/2004  7:08AM

Thank You for your reply.The GPR does seem to leave a lot to interpatattion.Have your percentages of positive readings increaced steadly over time with the usage of GPR?
I'm not familar with RIM.Is RIM a Electrical Charging System or a Electronic Sound Wave System?
Thank You for your responce and Time.Good Skill and Continued Success to You All.
 By Michael Miller

01/30/2004  8:44PM

Beginning in 1992, we began using metal detectors in the mine. Soon other methods of locating gold surfaced, one was GPR (ground penetrating radar). It works. We were able to “see” through the quartz and an image would appear on the screen. The Discovery channel presented a ten-minute special about our work around 1994. The problem seems to rest in the interpretation of the data. What is gold? What are the other anomalies? We became a Beta site for a five-year program of serious gold detection with companies interested in using modern technology to find gold. The Sixteen to One mine is a great mine for research because the quartz is benign and the gold is very concentrated. Over the years the miners became familiar with the term, “false positives”.

Another type of detection came from Colorado. It was called RIM technology (radio imagining method). It also worked. We were able to locate anomalies within five hundred feet of quartz between the 1700-foot level and the 2200-foot level. One of its drawbacks was the length of time it took to process the data. Therefore, we declared that our gold detector of the future must be in “real time”. The hardware is not stopping our progress. It is the software and the adaption of the equipment to meet the demands of an underground mine. Miners are not known to be dainty guys and mines are known to be wet and dirty.

We spent a lot of time and money chasing those false positives; however we are willing to continue the search for an electronic improvement for finding gold. We do not even care if the accuracy is only forty percent. This is a very rich mine. We can strike out sixty percent of the time and still find a lot of gold.
 By Wildwes21

01/30/2004  9:10AM

or other Ground Imagaging System at the 16 to 1?
 By gfxgold

01/23/2004  5:26PM

Hey Mike, about the picture with Dave and Joe, ask Davie which is worse, the explosives ready to go or someone pointing a camera at him. (heh-heh).

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